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Posted - 2011.07.22 15:26:00 -
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I heard somewhere a ship expansion was on the cards? Well as the saying goes, ship expansions, best expansions. And in ode to that particular cause, I would like to recommend a few classes of ships we've kinda been asking for for quite a while...
Before I continue, I must add:
NO NEW FRIGS OR CRUISERS, instead re-assess roles for, then balance existing Tech 1 frigs, destroyers, assault frigs.
Obligitory Nerf supercaps, buff hybrids, boost/remove active tanking bonuses, boost legion, make 5th strategic cruiser subsystems etc etc
Now, in no particular order...
Industrial:
Dedicated ship carrier that could transport fitted ships through empire using stargates with a ship maintenance array large enough to hold +4 battleships.
A specialised gas cloud harvester.
A Tech 2 Noctis. - None squishy version, with tech 2 resists.
Combat
Tornado and 3 other battleships to be added either as tier 3 tech 1 battleships, or new split faction ship variants (eg, caldari/minmatar, gallente/caldari, armarr/gallente, amarr/minmatar) with a similar strength to pirate ships.
Tier 2 carriers - 2x for each race, one specialised for moving stuff around with extended jump range bonuses and jump range efficiency, less mass, less highslots. The other specialised with none triage RR, less jump range, more cap regen. Both would have less fighter dps.
Tech 2, Tier 2 battlecruisers or pirate versions
Tech 3 Battlecruisers with subsystems that include:
Pocket Dreads - with 1/3 dread dps, ehp, tank, with siege mode.
Wormwhole system effects generator
Covert Interdictor - with 5km sphere launcher, covert op's cloak, less guns, ehp.
System wide cyno-scrambler - forces incoming capitals +400AU away from cyno field
Specialised anti fighter lockbreaker bomb launcher - disconnecting all drones, fighters and fighterbombers from it's parent ship within an aoe of Xkm.
A mimatar tech 3 with 7 midslots and no split weapons nonsense 
A gallente tech 3 with 5 bonused heavy drones
A well balanced amarr tech 3 with drones or missiles as primary weapon system
A caldari tech 3 with a wealth of grid and cpu.
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Posted - 2011.07.22 16:55:00 -
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And why no new frigates?
By my count, there are already 56 different frigates, excluding uber rare prize ships. Many of them useless. There are also 52 cruisers (compared to 34 battleships or 16 battlecruisers). I think that's enough until new game mechanics are introduced that open up new niches...
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Posted - 2011.07.23 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 23/07/2011 15:42:10
When I refered to 5 heavy drone subsystem for gallente, it was in reference to a new tech 3 battlecruser. Current drone subsystem on the proteus is good.
However given that it's currently better than the Deimos in every imaginable way, and the Loki is better than the munin by a similar margin, etc etc, that reason didn't really make much sense. If your obseleting one of the HACs why not both given the expense?
Either way, nee game mechanics need to come with new tech 3s or else were in for a rough ride :o
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Posted - 2011.07.25 18:12:00 -
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Some one mentioned escort carriers? What exactly could those ships do that couldn't be done with the other classes?
I get that there is a gap between capitals and battleships, but I think that the separation between classes in terms of performance is a good thing. When that doesn't happen, you have issues such as HACs vs Battlecruisrs, Commandships vs Stategic Cruisers. Too much overlap with the weaker choice being neglected.
Also goes to show somewhat why Battleships have become so much more underutilized - too small a performance gab over BC's for the isk/sp cost let alone the speed/tracking/sig tradeoffs.
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Posted - 2011.07.26 19:54:00 -
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Who knows, 12 months till the gallente boost I think. Maybe they'll boost the grid of blaster boats so that neutrons with any sort of tank becomes s possibility.
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Posted - 2011.07.27 00:03:00 -
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Would be nice on the CCP following through on the main reason why I entered the competition. In addition, if they did ever decide to hold a similar contest, they should be more prescriptive on the type of ship they'd want in game as beyond following the dimension limits, all I could do was design the type of ship I'd like to fly.
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I love the idea of making an escort / defence carrier that can protect fleets from fighter bombers with its fighters and point defence flak cannons / missiles
By escort carrier, do you mean capital ship? Or just carrier escort? Couldn't that role be done with another ship class? (destroyers for instance...)
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Posted - 2011.07.27 17:56:00 -
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I agree with removal of tiers, especially with battleships, battlecruisers as at that level of the game, the value of having teirs from the NPE is greatly exceeded by the balance issues that result from it thereafter.
However believing that no new ships can be brought in until everything has been rebalanced is silly.
1) Eve should be in a constant state of flux, balancing shouldn't end even if expansions where focused to it
2) new ships are kinda what keep the game alive, people skill training and new players believing that the game is evolving.
3) new ships can also be a spur for change, new Battleships for instance would set the stage for a proper re-evaluation of roles, tiers and capability.
4) and this thread was in response to the fact CCP where considering adding new ships. Which might be 1 to 3 years away given the nature of game development and CCPs over streached art dept.
5) new ships and modules (new modules is something we've had so little of, t3 modules anyone?) are the best ways to introduce new game mechanics.
As for capitals. I think it's time for more specialised none super caps. Normal capitals are actually kinda fun and given the limited varity and the now large proportion of players that can use them, development in that area would be a logical step.
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Posted - 2011.08.01 00:12:00 -
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There's too many, and far too few of them get used.
AF's? EAF's? All massive problems. Compounded by a general lack of speed.
Honestly, interceptors worked so much better when skilled pilots could take them to 7kms without implants.
Interdictors horrifically nerfed speedwise also, risk / reward stakes means it's almost always better to fly a HIC, especially if your in an old clone.
Sooo many balancing to do as far as new ones go, I don't really know what you could add that hasn't been done already or that another class of ships doesn't do yet.
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Posted - 2011.08.04 12:27:00 -
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It's amazing how often I'm bugged about when the tornado is comming... I wish I had an answer...
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Posted - 2011.08.17 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zarak1 Kenpach1
i really wish all the t1 non-pirate frigates except the rifter would get a rethink
and all those faction cruisers based off the logi hulls, why not have faction logistics ships instead of vestigial pimp hulls?
I should really do an FAO balance thread...
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Posted - 2011.09.08 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 08/09/2011 10:06:44
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE MORE SHIPS RABBLE
Seriously though, no surprise eve expansions have sucked since apocrypha.
Not that i'm against ship Balancing either but it's not quite the same as new toys... :( .
In addition:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1574892
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?3312-My-Tornado
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1552770
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?3588-So...how-long-till-those-old-Art-Contest-Winners-end-up-In-Game
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